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#21
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 21.03.2010 23:15
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Dabei seit 30.12.2009
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Zitat:

KR155E wrote:
It is true, though, that there are many people who have those ROMs and dirty business has been done in the past, like that extremely expensive homemade BH cart sold to Robert Molander.

So we have no clue who sold this on craigslist and I know that the BH recently on ebay was not jojobean's.


If this is true, won't it be better to just put them out in the open to prevent this from happening? If they are free to download, no one will have any good reason to buy them. Just my point of view!
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#22
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 0:07
VUE(xpert)
Dabei seit 17.01.2008
USA
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I'll agree with most of Krisse's history of Bound High, except for a few wrongful assumptions about my past and a few clever omissions from his.

I did receive the code when he said I did. I did not start selling it then. The process to get the code was very difficult. Krisse lied to me all along the way in order to prevent me from getting the code. He even went as far as to get the creator of the game to promise not to share his own code with anyone else. Upon finding out the ware Krisse handled his code, the creator was very upset. Getting the compiled was just as difficult as obtaining it in the first place.

It was during that time that Krisse offered to sell me the four rare japanese roms that weren't available at the time. I declined his offer. Once I got my hands on Bound High he gave them to me as a peace offering. I eventually used them in a trade and from there they were leaked. Krisse did ask me not to trade them but I can only feel so guilty for doing so see as how Krisse had offered me multiple items over the past few years which he had sworn he would not give out. Those same four games had been offered to be publicly dumped by private owners of the original copies, though Krisse would not allow it. He has done a great deal to control the scene for his benefit. He has deleted many posts over the years where people were offering to share Bound High or the other unreleased roms.

The deal I had for Faceball was very real. The word 'was' was chosen carefully because I am assuming at this point the deal will be off. As I stated to anyone who I gave Bound High to, the money was intended to help procure Faceball not only for myself, but for them as well. The asking price for the game was quite high. I never received enough funds to pay for even a quarter of the asking price. My deal with the Bound High crew is still valid, though I think it will be much harder to get the game for everyone now. I am out a few thousand dollars from bad trades or people who flat out lied to me. On top of that I have a rather large personal financial problem that has created a situation where I cannot afford to buy these games on my own. That is why I tried to gather a group to help fund the purchases. In making such a large deal out of this I think Krisse has shot everyone of us in the foot.

I would also like to mention that Krisse does not have the squeaky clean past he would like you to believe. Many people I spoke with over the past few years were offered various rom sales from him, including Bound High. He also tried to leverage himself as a needless middle man in many deals, including a deal involving DogP's Faceball. Krisse also has created a few aliases, though I feel no need to name them seeing as most of their business was done privately. He has also used his abilities as the website administrator to read private messages in order to block trades. I have had multiple trades put together over the past few years but Krisse has stolen my sources and cut me out, even though he acted as if we were partners. He didn't even know what many other members on here had in their collections because there was not enough trust to tell him.

If a few people are mad at me because more people now have a few games, I guess I can live with that. I think far more people have benefited from my actions then been hurt by them. I did not cross those I did business with, I have crossed the big collectors. I offered people a private trade that allowed them to play a game they would have never otherwise had the chance to play. I'm sure there will be a public release eventually but I know perfectly well that it wouldn't have happened without this current upset.

I still hope we are able to discover more unreleased games. The value, whether financial or as trade, of Bound High has been hurt by this public outcry from Krisse. It is yet another attempt to stifle the trading scene. The community as a whole would greatly benefit from people working together instead of everyone sneaking around trying to have the biggest collection. Pride is not needed in a scene as small as ours. Neither is endless internet arguing and drama. I have only said my side of the story as a rebuttal. I do not intend to perpetuate anything.
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#23
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 0:29
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Dabei seit 14.02.2010
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Why can't we all just get along? :)
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#24
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 0:36
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Dabei seit 08.01.2000
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Oh, wow. It's funny and sad at the same time how you always come up with even bigger lies when your previous ones were exposed, jojobean. I don't feel like I have to justify for anything here, so would you please just stop wasting everyone's time with your absurd conspiracy theories? I hope you don't believe this yourself.
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#25
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 0:40
VUE(xpert)
Dabei seit 17.01.2008
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People can believe what they want. You and me know whats true and what isn't, Krisse. I've admitted to my actions but you have lied about yours.
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#26
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 1:16
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Dabei seit 19.02.2010
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I'm still very new to the scene, but I just wanted to chime in with my 2 cents.

I have been a long term video game enthusiast, and I love prototype carts. Prototypes are the dream that keep one going, just that hope that something else is out there and will hopefully surface one day. Heck, I'm always thrilled to get a prototype of a released game to have in my collection.

The drama comes in when an unreleased game surfaces, obviously. The person with the original game I think should dump it for the owner's personal archives no matter what, just to insure that if something were to happen to said game that it wouldn't be lost forever. The choice to share the game is a nice gesture, but it does literally "devalue" the demand for the original cart/source.

In the Atari 2600 scene, people usually sell preorders for a limited release on physical carts, to make up for the initial investment put into buying said prototype. Once the pre-order is sold out, enthusiasts can have their physical re-release cart, the owner can rest easy knowing that he/she got his original cart essentially for free, and the less than enthusiast public will inevitably have their freebie ROM image.

Unfortunately for the VB scene, VB Flashcarts / Socketed Eprom carts aren't exactly cheap to buy, or super easy to make. Until someone manufactures a batch of clone PCBs from the Nintendo Dev carts (along with the inconvenient task of getting VB connector pinouts as well), it will be tough to come up with a wise way for people to release these unreleased games.

There are only 3 ways to handle unreleased prototypes

1. Keep it for yourself (and dump it exclusively for your own archive recommended)
2. Re-release it on physical carts and make your expensive financial investment back.
3. Dump it, release it, and make your Multi-thousand dollar investment worth considerably less. There will always be a demand for said original cart, but I doubt in the thousands anymore.


I wasn't aware that the Bound High ROM image didn't come from a cart dump, but one thing for certain is that the second the ROM was given to somebody that started selling the ROM to the public on eBay/Craigslist, the cat got out of the bag.
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#27
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 2:30
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Dabei seit 25.07.2003
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Zitat:

jojobean wrote:
He also tried to leverage himself as a needless middle man in many deals, including a deal involving DogP's Faceball.


I just want to clarify that it's not my Faceball, but as I told you (and "Sam Gupta", who died in an earthquake in Mumbai - R.I.P. ) in the emails, that I could work a deal for it, in trade for the Zero Racers source code you claimed to have. Too bad it was obviously just Bound High source code, with some files renamed.

I guess I was kinda a needless middle man as well (except I would have likely been the one trying to compile it), but the owner trusts me, and without my knowledge/judgement, may have been scammed into buying/trading for your "repackaged" source code.

DogP
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#28
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 2:52
VUE(xpert)
Dabei seit 17.01.2008
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Don't get me wrong, DogP, I don't have anything against anything you've done. You're an honest guy.
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#29
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 3:48
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Dabei seit 20.03.2010
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I really didn't mean to start an crazy dROMa (see what I did there?) - I don't really care to expose sellers and all that. I just wanted to give some people a shot at trying it out without having to buy it and see if they could get it working better than I. Yeah, it was dumb of me to buy it off someone on craigslist, but I can say I definitely didn't pay 3k for it.

I better understand why KR155E doesn't want a buggy copy out. But to me, I guess something for free and widely available (buggy or not) is much better than the same product being sold for absurd amounts by people who don't have the rights to it to begin with.
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#30
Re: Bound High ROM - buggy, can anyone help?
Geschrieben am: 22.03.2010 4:08
VUE(xpert)
Dabei seit 17.01.2008
USA
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props for the dROMa thing.
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