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#1941
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/6 22:04
Virtual Freak
Joined 2017/7/10
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I don't "fail to realize" anything. I watched the entire process since day one. And I praise MK for his work and the others involved. Why exactly do yourself and others feel as though they have the right to judge someone for selling repros of a homebrew game on ebay? Were you involved in the making of said game? If the creators of the game have a problem, they can come on here and say so, or contact Kevin directly(and how do you know they haven't already). And shouldn't it only be between them? Doesn't that make sense? Maybe my opinion doesn't matter, and I really don't feel like saying much else about the issue, but i do feel as though its not really anyones place to get riled up over it. And lastly, me personally, I feel as though Kevin is one of the largest contributors to the entire little scene that we have here and you guys are getting on his case about selling a repro of some homebrew game? First print or not, who cares. More people are getting to play the game and that's a good thing. Maybe some people don't want that and they want it to only be all for them and don't want others to have the chance to play it, but I don't think that way. The more the merrier. There isn't much of this vb scene as it is, lets just try to get along.
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#1942
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/6 22:35
Nintendoid!
Joined 2016/5/12
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Amen, Seam.
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#1943
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/7 14:59
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Joined 2012/7/9
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https://m.ebay.com/itm/Virtual-League- ... 442fd7:g:2u4AAOSw4GVYRv1t

Even though it is a lame game to own on prototype, itís still super uncommon to see any proto.

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#1944
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/7 21:39
Nintendoid!
Joined 2015/9/18
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Ok so there are two things going on: This maker of repro games does a lot for the VB community, and at the same time charges an exorbitant amount for a particular repro VB game, near certainly with the intention of fooling people into thinking they're getting a copy from the original highly-sought after batch to justify the goliath price tag.

Can we all just agree on that? It seems like all the parties debating this are not acknowledging one of these facts or the other. We should all be saying "Thanks for all your hard work for the community Kevin, by the way that's a shady thing you're doing with Hyper Fighting." It's ok, that really seems like the fact here. Even if the creator of Hyper Fighting steps out of the shadows and settles any issues today, this should have been done before the very first sale if ethics were a concern.

DreamMary: That Virtual League Baseball proto has been on eBay for nearly two years now, we've discussed it in this thread before. tl;dr version: The owner has no idea of the value of the proto, and so is shooting for the stars basing the price off of TG-16 protos, which the seller feels are just as niche and desirable. As you can tell by the 2 year-old listing, his feeling is misguided lol.
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#1945
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/9 16:01
VUE(xpert)
Joined 2007/7/28
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if ethics were a concern.


Money > ethics in this case :(
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#1946
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/9 17:09
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Joined 2013/6/17
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Quote:

Quaze wrote:
Ok so there are two things going on: This maker of repro games does a lot for the VB community, and at the same time charges an exorbitant amount for a particular repro VB game, near certainly with the intention of fooling people into thinking they're getting a copy from the original highly-sought after batch to justify the goliath price tag.

Can we all just agree on that? It seems like all the parties debating this are not acknowledging one of these facts or the other. We should all be saying "Thanks for all your hard work for the community Kevin, by the way that's a shady thing you're doing with Hyper Fighting." It's ok, that really seems like the fact here. Even if the creator of Hyper Fighting steps out of the shadows and settles any issues today, this should have been done before the very first sale if ethics were a concern.


Thank you for actually reading.

It's all about taking someone elses work, copying it, and selling it without the original creators consent. Hyper Fighting just happens to be the one that has market value/exposure. I already said it before, but I'll say it again. I have no problems with repros being made, as long as the creator of the rom and the person selling have actually talked and made an agreement.

Remember the Rose Colored Gaming thing where they were selling games that were made by people who didn't give them consent to sell their games at all, and everyone was pissed off? Same idea.
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#1947
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/9 20:40
Nintendoid!
Joined 2016/5/12
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Ok I wasn't going to ask this but since you keep bringing it up, I'm going to. Just keep in mind, I'm trying to make sense of this and not attacking anyone.

How is it any worse for Mellott to make a repro cart of the game when MK is "taking someone else's work" (Capcom's) and "copying it" (Street Fighter). "Without the original creators consent." (Again, Capcom's).

If you are going to be upset at Mellott shouldn't you be upset at MK also? (arguably more so)

Quote:

speedyink wrote:
Thank you for actually reading.

It's all about taking someone elses work, copying it, and selling it without the original creators consent. Hyper Fighting just happens to be the one that has market value/exposure. I already said it before, but I'll say it again. I have no problems with repros being made, as long as the creator of the rom and the person selling have actually talked and made an agreement.

Remember the Rose Colored Gaming thing where they were selling games that were made by people who didn't give them consent to sell their games at all, and everyone was pissed off? Same idea.
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#1948
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/9 23:03
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Joined 2013/6/17
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Levine91 wrote:
Ok I wasn't going to ask this but since you keep bringing it up, I'm going to. Just keep in mind, I'm trying to make sense of this and not attacking anyone.

How is it any worse for Mellott to make a repro cart of the game when MK is "taking someone else's work" (Capcom's) and "copying it" (Street Fighter). "Without the original creators consent." (Again, Capcom's).

If you are going to be upset at Mellott shouldn't you be upset at MK also? (arguably more so)


No worries, you gotta know somehow.

MK didn't rip SF2 from a cart, burn it to another cart and then resell it. All the code, all the assets, everything was created from scratch, by MK. Even though it looks just like SF2, it was entirely built from the ground up with SF2 as the inspiration.

Had Kevin coded another Hyper Fighting from the ground up, using MK's work as inspiration, and sold that, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Then instead of selling someone elses work on a cart, he's now selling his own code on a cart.

I don't think Kevin is a bad guy, he clearly has done some awesome stuff for the community. No matter who it is though, taking someone elses work and reselling it without permission just doesn't sit well to me. Maybe I'm being over protective, but the VB community is something special, and means a lot to me. I don't want anyone feeling like they've been taken advantage of.
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#1949
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/9 23:14
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Joined 2012/7/9
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Excellent explanation speedyink, and much more elegantly explained then anything I could have written.
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#1950
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Threadô
Posted on: 2018/5/10 0:26
Nintendoid!
Joined 2016/5/12
USA
132 Posts
Long Time User (3 Years)
Quote:

speedyink wrote:
No worries, you gotta know somehow.

MK didn't rip SF2 from a cart, burn it to another cart and then resell it. All the code, all the assets, everything was created from scratch, by MK. Even though it looks just like SF2, it was entirely built from the ground up with SF2 as the inspiration.

Had Kevin coded another Hyper Fighting from the ground up, using MK's work as inspiration, and sold that, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Then instead of selling someone elses work on a cart, he's now selling his own code on a cart.

I don't think Kevin is a bad guy, he clearly has done some awesome stuff for the community. No matter who it is though, taking someone elses work and reselling it without permission just doesn't sit well to me. Maybe I'm being over protective, but the VB community is something special, and means a lot to me. I don't want anyone feeling like they've been taken advantage of.


So if that's how it's felt, what is there to worry about Capcom attacking with copyright infringement for the full ROM coming out? You can say inspired all you want it's still character designs, character names, box art, stages, etc that Capcom designed themselves. Whether or not someone else figured out how to design the sprites or code themselves, it's all still content/art that Capcom owns.

I really don't care if someone went through and did this with 100 different games that already exist or even someone else selling them as repro carts. I just think it's ridiculous that there seems to be a double standard going on when talking about stealing content.
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