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#1
Re: Looks Just like a Virtual Boy
Posted on: 3/23 21:35
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Yeah for sure I'm going to need to get a strap made, drill a hole for headphones and stick some VB stickers on there or something :)

Useful thread for anyone getting one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GoogleCardboa ... ner_of_the_viewmaster_vr/

I've ordered mine but it'll be a while before it arrives due to Easter.
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#2
Re: Looks Just like a Virtual Boy
Posted on: 3/22 20:59
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OK I'm ordering one now seems pretty cheap and worthwhile from what I've read so far. Once it arrives I'll let you know though.

First thing I'm going to try is some VB mock-up screenshots to see what they'd look like.

Another idea I found interesting is - if you have a Bluetooth controller this could make some interesting applications with Game Maker, for someone like me that can mock up little things but not comfortably code on actual hardware.

I suppose you can do all that with Google Cardboard but I never got on so well with it and the flimsy feel.
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#3
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Thread™
Posted on: 3/20 23:38
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Mawa dat is erg aardig, dank u mijn vriend.
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#4
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Thread™
Posted on: 3/20 15:50
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Ben now you are being ridiculous. I actually went back through all your points and wrote a full response outlining why you're incorrect about so many things here - but I have not posted that because it makes you look ridiculous and me also, for responding to your rants in a similar way.

My 'wild claims' are efforts in vain to illustrate and explain to you how sunfading works, as you seem unable to grasp what is really straightforward.

Stop comparing various images to one another to try and prove something that isn't there - you're a VB historian but are misleading readers. You'd said there was even red in the buttons on an image I posted - when (if you actually look at it) I have turned off the magenta and yellow layers so no red is viewable.

You're only seeing what you want to see, and now you're being nasty about it to boot, so I had agreed not to say anymore to avoid any escalation, which is also unpleasant for other members to see, but you still have to run with it. That's really poor.
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#5
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Thread™
Posted on: 3/20 1:23
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I think that's best - I don't want to cause unnecessary embarrassment by going through and picking apart all the inaccuracies, and I don't think the forum is gaining anything from it at this point.

I will say that if someone from here does win the VB - please, please do the right thing and post pics when it arrives :D
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#6
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Thread™
Posted on: 3/17 11:24
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Ben I was really hoping you weren't going to react that strongly, as noted, because it is just a box and I made no emotional statement or reaction towards you, even sent you a kind enough PM so you'd be assured there was no strong feeling on my side.

But that aside, your rundown is not quite how colour is set up in printing and it's not how UV fades print colours - I did go into that in my last post and if you really don't believe me you could ask someone in printing, like UncleTusk perhaps.

But in short - red doesn't turn to blue. If it appears blue on the VB box - that's the magenta layer having completely faded, yellow layer also completely faded, then any black and blue layers remaining visible because those inks don't fade as fast.

Black isn't a mixture of all three of those - it's it's own separate channel. This is commonplace printing on packaging - it works like this: https://designschool.canva.com/wp-cont ... design-differences-11.jpg

Something I did to try and help you see this is split the CMYK layers out manually in Photoshop. You can have the image in there as CMYK (screens display in RGB but printing is CMYK) and then subtract the magenta and yellow channels to show what blue is left. The results make it really clear I think.

This isn't me trying to cause any upset - but you couldn't see what I was trying to illustrate with the crisps and this illustrates it much better. When the magenta and yellow fade completely, you are left with blue and black only. The red VB on the box has traces of blue in the shadows and also some black.

You can do this in Photoshop or another good image program if you want to see for yourself. The VidPro thing was a better example than a crisp packet sure - but that's a completely separate image.

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#7
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Thread™
Posted on: 3/16 12:38
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Forgive me but this is getting a bit weird - but sunfading on one thing doesn't necessarily correlate with sunfading on another print.

Having said that - in CMYK (cyan, magenta, yellow, black) prints - red (or at least magenta) is the first colour to fade because of the way light and colour fundamentally work. You can read a bit about this here:
http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/qu ... ight-cause-colors-to-fade

Also bear in mind that when you see red or blue on a print - it's rarely 100% that colour only. There will be mixes of cyan, magenta, yellow and black of course - even on something that looks straight up red or blue.

CMYK is used on most packaging these days, but in the 70s and 80s lesser channels were common and on things like art prints from galleries, more channels are used to give a fuller range of colour.

With enough time and exposure, even black will turn to blue. It's important to remember that comparing one example of sunfade against another is not exactly a fair test, use it for illustration but it all depends on how long they've been exposed, in what part of the world and what inks were used.

This is shown in one picture of a VB box earlier in the thread that had the red VB turn more yellow. That is the red (magenta) fading and leaving yellow underneath which hasn't faded yet. Magenta+yellow = red basically, so that's why when the magenta fades you see the yellow still. With added exposure that will also fade.

So this is what you see on the Smash TV card. Magenta has fully faded, yellow has faded a good amount and almost fully in some places, remaining in darker areas where some other colours are mixed (i.e. shadows).

Let's not forget that Japan gets a decent amount of sun and UV. Even in England, where we don't get a lot of sun and VB necessarily, you see this sunfading on certain printing especially cheap) and a common sight of this are those damn blue crisp packets. Even in my conservatory though, some of our holiday photos have sunfade - these were prints from Thailand where I imagine they used relatively cheap printing.



There was some misunderstanding on how prints react to sunfade, so I hope this info helps. The crisp example I originally pasted is a good illustration of this as they went for the cheapest printing possible in the 70s and 80s with only a couple of channels. They would not use CMYK, but a cyan-like blue and a decent red. The red has completely faded and the blue is much more resilient, because these colours are at polar ends of the spectrum (click that first link for an overview).

Regarding this auction and the box in question - I am certain this is not a misprint or rare intermediary version - for additional reasons regarding the manufacturing process and more, but I don't think I need to go into those now. I don't want this to become a tit for tat type thread, but it's important to remain objective and I haven't seen anything to suggest it's more than sunfade to be honest. My 'like new' VB came with a very nice full colour box, but with certain other things missing inside ironically (baggie, visor card and one or two leaflets).


All being said, the only way to know for sure with this particular auction is to buy it and inspect the other sides of the box and other details like serial number - which will make everything 100% clear I'm sure, without taking my word for it on the above.
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#8
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Thread™
Posted on: 3/13 23:43
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thunderstruck wrote:

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I have never seen sunfade completely remove one color.



You see it over here all the time in towns and cities, hence why I posted a picture of that crisp packet - they're not normally blue and white ;)

Here's what they look like new (attached).

Now compare that to the pic I linked to above. It's not 100% the same design but look at the logo top right, blue is the only colour that seems to remain for whatever reason.

Up to you if you want to go from it, I'm not trying to be antagonistic I just thought I would help someone avoid disappointment is all.

If you have that itch and it's gotta be scratched though, an extra VB isn't bad and they're always in demand if you don't need it.

In fact, I'd even buy the loose VB if you wanted, so you could keep the box - I would like to have another for when the link cable is a bit further along.

So, after writing this post, I would like someone to pick it up! :)

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#9
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Thread™
Posted on: 3/12 22:07
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It's because there would have been a touch of blue / black in the red shadows - blue doesn't sunfade as much for whatever chemical reason, so the blue and black remains longer.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryofthewor ... ts/UrxeLz2cQAKK5UKXhj4kLw


That orange one you saw is sunfaded, but nowhere near the level you see in the 'white' one. If yu bought it, what you'd find is that the back and sides would almost certainly not have the same sunfade.
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#10
Re: The Noteworthy Auction Thread™
Posted on: 3/11 1:15
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That's just a regular VB box with severe sunfade. You can still pick up the blue that has kept more colour.

Not trying to be a downer, but would feel bad for anyone spending money on a rare item.
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